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…In the way of righteousness is life, and in the pathway thereof there is no death. (Prov. 12:28)…
THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE NOVEMBER OF ‘07′
In November of last year the National Right to Life Committee endorsed Fred Thompson. At the time, Executive Director of NRLC David O’Steen said that after pouring over voting records, checking the pro life positions of the candidates and considering electability they chose Thompson and felt that Thompson would benefit from the endorsement. He hasn’t.
As of today, Tuesday, January 8, 2008 Fred Thompson is posed to finish dead last behind
Ron Paul by 9 points in the New Hampshire Primary today. And polls show him consistently far behind in all the upcoming primary states. Combining poor communication skills within debates and public perceptions of a lackadaisical approach towards his own candidacy, Fred Thompson is done.
A MATTER OF LIFE
In the most recent controversy over what does or does not constitute a true blue conservative and his or her right ordering of issues during this election, there remains for pro life/family forces the underlying principle which supercedes all issues–the human right to life… We are concerned with ending the worst holocaust in the history of humanity–the ongoing deaths of millions of innocent children in the womb–and we are committed to its defeat in our lifetime, period.
IT’S ABOUT JUDGE’S, STUPID…
Up to now, we haven’t heard much about it, but, this election for us is still about judges. As was true in the 2000 election, (and prior), we are in need of strict Originalist Judges who will interpret the Constitution properly, and thus, we are in need of a viable presidential candidate–capable of winning–who will nominate such Judge’s.
Among the remaining Republican candidate’s, Mike Huckabee has surprised us all by coming out of nowhere and appears to be gaining great support within the pro life community. Along with his refreshing populist bent that some economic conservatives fear and perhaps loathe, (with a view only towards the pocketbook), Mike Huckabee seems to be resonating among those 43% of voters who say social values will help determine their vote.
He has mine.
Look Here to study the remaining viable candidates positions on life.
As righteousness tendeth to life…(Prov. 11:19).
Oregon Roe v. Wade Memorial Rallys
Reaching Oregon with the message of life!
Sunday, January 20, 2006
Oregon State Capitol
Salem, Oregon
2:30 p.m. – 3:30 p.m.
Sponsored by Oregon Right to Life
On January 22, 1973, the United States Supreme Court handed down the Roe v. Wade decision which has resulted in the deaths of over 45 million unborn children.
Speakers include:
Archbishop John Vlazny
Frank Rosenbloom, M.D., ORTL President
Pastor Doug Bailey, Salem First Free Methodist Church
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Events in other communities:
Coos County: Sunday, January 20 from 2 to 3 p.m. at the Chamber of Commerce Information Block at Hwy. 101 and Broadway in downtown Coos Bay between Anderson and Commercial Avenues. For information, call 541-347-9280.
Curry County: Sunday, January 20. Meet at 4 p.m. for a candlelight vigil in front of the Curry County Courthouse in Gold Beach. For information, call 541-247-2218.
Douglas County: Sunday, January 20. Meet at 2 p.m. at the Mercy Medical Center statue in Roseburg. Walk to 3 p.m. rally at First Conservative Baptist Church. For information, call 541-673-4566.
Eugene:
Harney County: Monday, January 21. Prayer meeting at 8:30 a.m. at Holy Family Catholic Church. For information, call 541-573-2990.
Jackson County: Sunday, January 2o. Rally at 1:30 p.m. at the Jackson County Justice Building in Medford. For information, call 541-830-0679.
Josephine County: Sunday, January 20. Rally from (meet at 12:30) 1 to 2:30 p.m. in front of Josephine County Courthouse at 6th and B streets in Grants Pass. For information, call 541-474-2091.
Klamath County: Monday, January 21. Meet at 8:30 a.m. at the County Government Center in Klamath Falls. For information, call 541-850-2198.
Malheur County: Sunday, January 20. Memorial service at 7 p.m. at the Nazarene Church in Vale. For information, call 541-473-3080.
Salem/Stayton: Monday, January 21. “Pray for one hour to end abortion” candlelight vigil from 6 to 7 p.m. at Planned Parenthood on Lancaster and Wolverine Streets in Salem. For information, call 503-769-5294.
January 9, 2008 at 3:59 am
This lifelong Roman Catholic supports Fred Thompson. His clarity of thinking on the most viable way to halt abortion is much better than the status quo. The NLA has seen no movement and probably will not. His understanding of the Constitution and of the intentions of our Founding Fathers to limit the federal government far surpasses that of Mike Huckabee, who prefers government intervention in education and healthcare. Thompson’s knowledge and understanding of foreign affairs also far surpasses Mike Huckabee’s limited knowledge and naivete. Senator Thompson not only received the NRLC’s endorsement, but has thus far earned the endorsements of 15 RTL organizations.
January 9, 2008 at 9:11 am
Hi Connie—Thanks for the comment.
You said:
This lifelong Roman Catholic supports Fred Thompson. His clarity of thinking on the most viable way to halt abortion is much better than the status quo.
From my look at the candidates, Fred Thompson, as your probably aware, has a questionable past concerning his whole-hearted support to end the crime of abortion. There is a fair summation of his record at: race42008.com—what is clear is that previously Mr. Thompson supported abortion in the first trimester. Still today, and please correct me if I’m in error, he does not believe in criminalizing the act of abortion for either the woman or the provider.
To be honest I can’t find Mr. Thompson’s viable way to end abortion. [Truly, fill me in here, if you would]
Over and above this, however, Mr. Huckabee has a clear heart concerning the past, and seems to have a spiritual understanding in the present that our Creator is the giver of life. The Lord and the Giver of Life as we repeat each Sunday. There is a grave offense here Connie to love–the Spirit of Love.
For me, Mr. Thompson lacks a consistent history when compared with Mr. Huckabee:
MR. RUSSERT: South Dakota had some proposed legislation to outlaw all abortion except saving the life of a mother, no exceptions for rape or incest. You said you’d sign that. Why?
GOV. HUCKABEE: Well, I always am going to err on the side of life, Tim. I believe life is precious. But I think the issue for many of us who are in the pro-life camp—and I have been since, you know, I was a teenager. This is not something that I’ve been all over the board on, it’s consistent, It’s because of my view that God is the creator and instigator of life. But I think those of us in the pro-life movement, we have to do also some growing and expanding. We have to remind people that life, that we believe it begins at conception. It doesn’t end at birth […] MTP Transcipt January 28th, 2007
You said:
The NLA has seen no movement and probably will not–
Speculation of the future here. I want the court packed.
You said:
His understanding of the Constitution and of the intentions of our Founding Fathers to limit the federal government far surpasses that of Mike Huckabee, who prefers government intervention in education and healthcare.
Perhaps so, but, Our Lord’s will and wisdom supersedes the Constitution, the intentions of the founding Father’s (who probably would agree) and limited government… We are a people passing through this world and will not be judged by either three, but, will be judged on recognizing and caring for the least of His. And really, is there any other least in need of more care, attention and defense then the unborn child in the womb at this point in our history?
As for government intervention in education and healthcare—still secondary.
You said:
Thompson’s knowledge and understanding of foreign affairs also far surpasses Mike Huckabee’s limited knowledge and naivete.
I’m not sure what you mean by naivete, but, I do agree with you on foreign affairs.
You said:
Senator Thompson not only received the NRLC’s endorsement, but has thus far earned the endorsements of 15 RTL organizations
Seems that most of these are satellites of NRLC. Which brings me back to my original argument:
Mr. Thompson’s odd (and early) selection by the NRLC does not work for me: considering his past, his work to undermine the voice of the pro-life organization with McCain-Fiengold, but most importantly—his inability to get elected…
As predicted, Mr. Thompson finished with 1 percentage point under all write-in candidates (2) and behind Ron Paul (8).
Peace to you and yours Connie
January 9, 2008 at 4:53 pm
“Speculation of the future here. I want the court packed.”
So does Fred Thompson. Who do you think it was who advised President Bush and helped get John Roberts’ nomination through Congress?
Senator Thompson believes that advances in science and technology are proving the case against the pro-choice crowd and he trusts the American people to look at such evidence and choose life. Because the NLA has been on the table for so long, he sees his way as the practical way for moving the case along faster and saving more lives. If his way saves the life of one unborn child while the NLA wafts in the breeze, then it is worth it, don’t you think?
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/naivete
Also, Thompson has already admitted that McCain/Feingold did not work as he’d hoped it would, but he did not support it to undermine the pro-life movement.
You have not given me any arguments for Mike Huckabee.
January 9, 2008 at 7:23 pm
I just heard Carl Cameron on Fox News say that those in NH don’t care what those in Iowa think, and those in South Carolina don’t care what those in NH think.
Point being Thompson conceded NH, and pulled out what many considered a surprising 3rd in Iowa. That matters nothing in South Carolina – so the NH results don’t carry any weight.
You said that God’s will trumps the Constitution, and you nailed that right on – my question is that just because Huckabee is loudly letting everyone know he is a Christian (that’s ok by me) then is that enough to say that it’s God’s will for Huck to win.
Personally, I don’t think so. On the NRLC issue, they made their endorsement and have stuck with it as I’m sure they know that the election about much more than Iowa and NH.
I posted a long story about it being ok to be a Christian and not vote for Huckabee at my blog. I like Huckabee, I held out for a long time praying that he would be my choice and I keep coming back with “he can’t win in November”.
I could be wrong – have been many times, as I know if God wants Huckabee in the White House then it will happen, but I also know God gave us a free will.
God didn’t want mankind to fall in the Garden of Eden – but they did never-the-less.
God’s blessing to all who read this!
CP
January 9, 2008 at 10:38 pm
So which is it Ed? Do we have free will or is God gonna put Huckabee in the white house? And, since you’re backing Thompson, what is your view about his work as a lobbyist on behalf of an abortion rights organization? Do you now support abortion rights?
January 10, 2008 at 3:20 am
Hi Connie, good to hear from you…
“So does Fred Thompson. Who do you think it was who advised President Bush and helped get John Roberts’ nomination through Congress?”
Fred Thompson appears not to have the will to actually fight for the life of the unborn in my opinion. The reason I feel this way is because he himself feels that the states should be the decider on abortion issues. (legal or illegal) Your man does not clearly present himself as a full on “I want to end abortion” kind of candidate. His firm opposition to criminalization of abortion is the proof of the pudding for me Connie.
“Senator Thompson believes that advances in science and technology are proving the case against the pro-choice crowd and he trusts the American people to look at such evidence and choose life.”
You (and Thompson) are underestimating Americans ill-formed consciences in this age Connie. Science and technology, the advent of the Pill and other contraceptives, combined with the societal changes of the 50’s and 60’s helped lead us into this quagmire.
While it’s true that ultrasound does help turn hearts toward the reality of a human being (a baby) present within the womb, the reality is, it’s an significant few who are even presented with such evidence, and for sometime now both science and common sense has shown the reality of human life within the womb.
Laws are conceived and enforced because of the reality of our fallen natures, to protect the common good as it were; and in this case in order to protect both the child and its mother—even if the mother has been deceived by false information from youth obscuring her conscience (further) as it affirms to her that such evil is good.
I want Judges to overturn bad law too, and, a human life amendment—Thompson is shakey at best on one, and firmly against the other and his own party platform. Again, Huckabee is not.
Thompson, by his positions, does not stand as an example to young Americans as reasserting the reality within society that human life is sacred, God-derived, and must be defended.
“You have not given me any arguments for Mike Huckabee.”
My argument for Mike Huckabee as a serious pro life candidate “who can win” is found on real clear politics. It is my belief that he represents the best chance for change on the issue of abortion in America.
Jim
January 10, 2008 at 5:20 am
Good evening Pastor, sorry it took so long to reply–busy.
Point being Thompson conceded NH, and pulled out what many considered a surprising 3rd in Iowa. That matters nothing in South Carolina – so the NH results don’t carry any weight.
So let’s consider South Carolina: real clear politics
You said that God’s will trumps the Constitution, and you nailed that right on – my question is that just because Huckabee is loudly letting everyone know he is a Christian (that’s ok by me) then is that enough to say that it’s God’s will for Huck to win.
My comment concerning God’s will related to taking away the life of children in the womb. I’m saying that God’s will is found in His creative love present within the act of human love, (we all live, move, and have being in God) when a man and woman conceive there is a conception of life that finds its very origin in the primordial love of God the Creator and his sacred power present and active within such relations. Now our age has forgotten this, but, nothing is lost to God, by nature of His omnipresence he is fully aware of our manifold (see: millions) rejections of the fruit of human love—children. By forgetting God and taking the lives of innocent children in the womb we are breaking several commandments, which as a pastor, you know.
As for your question my friend, it appears that “Huck” is striving to do the will of God on the issue of abortion, whereas, Mr. Thompson’s positions (states decide legality, opposition to human life amendment) oppose that which is always an intrinsically evil act and opposed to love (God).
As Christians we each have a duty to align ourselves with the will of God. So, in view of this, Mr. Huckabee appears, of all the candidates available, best aligned to our deepest truth, and we must act accordingly–if we are to do the will of God. Note: if you do find a candidate with better pro life credentials and stands a chance to win election, I will switch my vote.
Personally, I don’t think so. On the NRLC issue, they made their endorsement and have stuck with it as I’m sure they know that the election about much more than Iowa and NH.
While I support all authentic efforts to end abortion, I have serious reservations concerning the selection of Fred Thompson by the NRLC, and especially having done so so early in the process. I won’t convict them of it, but, I think the Republican party may be a bit too snuggly wuggly with the organization. At any rate, I will vote my conscience enriched with the Spirit found within the sure teaching of the Church on this subject.
I posted a long story about it being ok to be a Christian and not vote for Huckabee at my blog. I like Huckabee, I held out for a long time praying that he would be my choice and I keep coming back with “he can’t win in November”.
I haven’t read your post, but I suggest you not focus on praying that Mr. Huckabee be your choice, and end up by answering yourself with “he can’t win in November.”, so much as, to pray that The Holy Spirit will open your heart to experience the Word made flesh… in such love and mercy you will recognize the horror of these days before us from the very beauty of “Life” present to the eyes and ears of your soul.
I could be wrong – have been many times, as I know if God wants Huckabee in the White House then it will happen, but I also know God gave us a free will.
Already answered dear friend.
God didn’t want mankind to fall in the Garden of Eden – but they did never-the-less.
True. Thankfully, He made arrangements beforehand.
God’s blessing to all who read this!
Ditto. Peace to you and yours.
January 10, 2008 at 5:47 am
Hi Raoul.
So which is it Ed? Do we have free will or is God gonna put Huckabee in the white house? And, since you’re backing Thompson, what is your view about his work as a lobbyist on behalf of an abortion rights organization? Do you now support abortion rights?
I’m sure I’m missing something here between you and the cyberpastor, Raoul. Perhaps you can fill me in on another post.
I took a quick look at your site on my way out the door earlier this afternoon, and what stuck with me is your protrayal of Jesus as a rebel. I’m not sure where you came up with this, maybe the false notion of liberation theology during the 70’s and 80’s, but the spiritual reality found within the Most Holy Trinity is that the heart of Christ within our own quells rebellion, uniting our humanity within the peace of His divinity—thus, bringing peace to all men of good will.
Peace to you and yours.
January 10, 2008 at 11:50 am
Peace to you as well. No, I didn’t depict our Lord as anything more than what the 4 gospels show Him as being.
Regarding your view about the liberation theology being false – once more you have it wrong. The people involved in that attempt to follow the edict of our Lord in the same 4 gospels.
What the right wing has done to the Good News may be one of the ultimate sins committed by it.
r.